MAILBAG REBUTTAL TO GABE MONTOYA'S INTERVIEW
Stephen "Breadman" Edwards

Very, very interesting interview with Gabe Montoya.

http://www.boxingtalk.com/admin/preview.php?aid=23521

A lot of posturing and dancing is going on due to defamation threats and cease and desist orders, but nonetheless the can of worms is officially open and on "Front Street" as we say in the streets. Let me ask you point blank my theory...going back to the MLB steroid golden age, we were dealing in a short lived era where science and advancements in supplements far surpassed and did laps around major sports' dope testing procedures. I will assume that ALL sports were experiencing the same disconnect and athletes were experimenting with new PEDs and "nutritionists" were more rampant than wannabe sports agents and financial advisors. Do you think Floyd Mayweather experimented and used PED's to the point where his dominating performances were so impressive that once he cleaned up his act and got back to fighting without PED's, he noticed the difference in stamina and power and is on a crusade to avoid opponents who can threaten him with the help of PEDs? I'm not the first writer or boxing fan to "accuse the accuser"

Is Floyd "The Advocate" Mayweather simply just a guilty cat who was able to evade the public with past juiced performances with Golden Boy covering up through inside deals with USADA [drug testing organization] and now he knows he needs another agency to protect his undefeated record? And did he see characteristics in Manny Pacquiao's rise in power and weight classes as a potential candidate to beating the USADA system with Bob Arum pulling strings behind closed doors? DJ from NYC.
Bread’s Response: I’m going to answer you point blank. I personally have NOT received enough evidence to assume Floyd Mayweather has ever cheated and used PEDs. I respect what Gabe said and didn’t say, but I would need more to assume anything definitive about Floyd.

However I do think you bring up something interesting about Floyd being the accuser. When Floyd first started pointing the finger at Manny, I couldn’t understand WHY he did it in such a classless and open way. I openly stated my opinion on that. Floyd has a right to his opinion but when you state your opinion as a fact on a issue like that, you have to be very careful. I knew Floyd knew better because he acted in the correct manner in order to get the fight with Oscar De La Hoya and AFTER the contracts were signed, he went in on Oscar.

I felt like Floyd could have grabbed Manny by the hand in front of millions and proposed random testing in order to clean up the sport. Manny is a politician, there is NO way he could have refused this in front of millions. Instead Floyd called him all types of names, pretty much attempted to discredit all of his achievements and on top of that demanded drug test or no fight. Unfortunately for Floyd, I think people will remember that and NOT give him the benefit of the doubt in this situation. I am NOT one of those people. I WILL give Floyd the benefit of the doubt. But I’m just one person…….


 
Breadman! Great interview. I have been reading some of Gabe’s work for awhile but have not had time to sit down and read all of his in-depth PED writing. I thought there were several interesting points in your interview. First, as you pointed out he is careful to always use the word publicly when discussing Mayweather and testing dirty. I also found it very interesting that Golden Boy attorneys came at him so hard. It seems they are protesting too much. Second, I can’t stop wondering why Golden Boy is having its fighters switch to USADA after VADA exposed its competitors. There does not seem to be any benefit.

However, I am not going to get into any conspiracy theories. My main point is Mayweather has started a mess. Contrary to what many of his true believers claim, he did not begin a drug testing crusade. Instead he started a witch hunt against Pac. Now, there is a cloud of suspicion against him and Golden Boy. How ironic. I think there is a ton of shit that we don’t know but that could come out in the wash. If Pac really wanted to box Mayweather in, he would institute testing for his next fight.  Keep up the hard work!-- Roy

Bread’s Response: What’s up Roy? I was very DIRECT with Gabe and he did not flinch. I asked him some tough questions and although he didn’t answer everything directly, I didn’t feel he was being evasive. I just felt like he couldn’t answer the questions for outside reasons.

I hear that Golden Boy is using USADA because VADA took too long in informing them of Lamont Peterson’s test results. That has not been confirmed from anybody at Golden Boy. I personally think for VADA’s short existence they are doing an excellent job and if in fact their test are cheaper and they use a better test 100% of the time, I can’t understand why Golden Boy wouldn’t keep using the organization that has just caught two guys that had PEDs in their system when training for fights against their fighters.

I also want to state I do have a slight problem with Team Pacquaio. Although Manny has agreed to Floyd’s drug testing demands, Manny never seems to be proactive in the fight to clean up boxing. They say if you don’t stand for something then you will fall for anything. Manny would seem more genuine to me if he had a firmer stance on this whole mess. But he never does……

 
Hey Bread! That was a great interview with Gabe! Very, VERY good read. As always, the Breadman proves again to be the pursuer of truth! :)

Hey Gabe! Excellent work with all the research regarding PEDs! I consider myself being much more learned from reading about what you wrote. More please. :)

At one point in the Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiations, Bob Arum said they agree to the drug-testing, but not if USADA does this. In my then limited awareness of the difference, I had assumed Arum was just being his usual difficult self. I had said to myself, "if Manny agrees to testing, why would it matter if it's USADA, WADA, VADA or yada-yada-yada?" Boy, am I enlightened now! Question for both of you gentlemen. Do you guys think Arum had an inkling of all this at the time?

Godspeed to both of you! More power!

Carlo Castillo
Manila, Philippines
Bread’s Response: I’m going to be as honest as I can with what I’m about to say. Most people in boxing may respect Bob Arum but he is not known as what you call a GOOD human being. But in this case, I’m not saying he is speaking the truth. But his stance does seem logical looking back.


Arum told me personally that no matter what they agreed to Floyd Mayweather would find a reason to “stall” a fight with Manny PAcquiao. And this whole drug testing issue was bologna. At the time I didn’t know what to believe but now we fast forward two more years and some of what he said seems to be at least practical. Arum was also Oscar De La Hoya’s promoter for a number of years. If Oscar did indeed fail a drug test or have a drug test “sealed” or “exempted” or any of these fancy legal words, then I would assume Arum has knowledge of this.


Here is where my common sense will kick in. Arum can’t come out and say while Oscar was under his promotional banner that “they” hid a drug test result. He would lose credibility in this case. Oscar can’t say it for the same reasons. But judging by their actions both guys know more than they are willing to say publicly. And I don’t blame Arum for not wanting to be tested by the agency that Mayweather picked…..


 

Bread:
You and Gabe are almost there. You have these guys. By these guys I mean the establishment that has been in cahoots all along letting people cheat. You guys just need to push a little harder and the whole house of cards will come down. Read on.
I’ve been telling people for years that all these guys are cheating. MMA and boxing. It’s so easy… It’s really sad by reading your interview that most people don’t know the basics of PEDS. You had the EXACT reaction that any smart/logical person would have when you learned about 4:1 ratio. You guys need to push this to main stream news and not let these guys bullshit their way out.
The 4:1 or 6 :1 ratio is complete BULLSHIT, it’s been allowing people to cheat all along. I’ve been trying to tell anyone that would listen for years. A normal person is usually around 1:1, I think it’s like .8:1 for Asian, and 1:1 for Caucasians and 1.1 or 1.2 to 1 for some other ethnic groups. So why on earth would you let people test at 4-1 or 6-1. Well I’ll tell you. Cause Kizer and his organization are in cahoots with boxing, mma and everyone else they test. Boxers and mma fighters have been doing this for years, along with HGH, because they’ve been given a license to cheat. What they also do is up their epitestosteron to match the 4-1 ratios. I mean someone needs to call all these people on their bullshit. All these guys are cheating, and have been cheating all along and Keizer and his cohorts are all in on it. I mean it’s so ridiculous, you can cheat like this, and what’s worse, is once you’ve been cheating for so long, and juicing for so long well your body no longer produces testosterone like it’s supposed to, so you get hypogonadism. So the only thing you can do is take testosterone because your body doesn’t produce it anymore. So basically, people like Chael Sonnen, Dan Henderson and those guys have been cheating for so long, their bodies no longer produce test, so they Allow them TO now cheat legally by giving them what they call an exemption to use TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) I mean WTF MAN????? You cheat, and it ruins your body, so here is a license to cheat. WTF????
What is really funny is that last week, Winky Wright wanted to be tested and have Quilin tested. Guess what? Go read up on what happened here:
http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/winky-wright-all-i-want-to-know-is-we-are-playing-on-the-same-field
This is Scary ! Destroyed samples, not wanting to use VADA… I mean you don’t have to be a genius here to connect the dots here…
These people are criminals and need to be brought to justice. Either allow drugs or don’t. These needs to be main stream news, not boxing message board news, these guys are all frigging cheating and the promoters, and Kiezer and the bunch are in on it.
I’ll tell you something else. They will never be able to sue Gabe and I’ll tell you why. Last year or the year before Arum said something about Delahoya failing a dope test… Want to know what the response was? NADA, zilch, nothing. Not a threat or a lawsuit, not a lawsuit and no retraction. Want to know why, simple, because it was true. And it doesn’t surprise me one bit that Floyd has been busted too and got away with it being the cash cow…
Someone from government needs to ask these questions that Kiezer and all stonewalled Gabe on, The limit should be 2 and if you’re over two, you need a lie detector test to compete.
Keep it up Bread, keep in their face, try and get this on a major news site, cause it’s not just boxing and mma, it’s football and other sports.
Martin
Bread’s Response: You know Martin I’m not even into interviews anymore. I would much rather do my mailbag thing and talk to guys in the business off the record. But I had to interview Gabe Montoya. My conscience would not allow me to not at least ask Gabe about what was going on. But don’t give me too much credit. I did the interview but Gabe is the one who has put a lot into the research of PED testing.


Yes you’re right, I was deeply disturbed on what the limits were in 4 to 1 and 6 to 1, when Gabe told me the average person has a testosterone ratio of 1 to , something clicked in my head. I immediately thought of people like Victor Conte, who has openly said the system was a joke. I didn’t understand Conte before but as soon as Gabe explained to me how high the allowed ratios were, I became disgusted.


What’s even worse is as you stated when someone uses synthetic testosterone their body does not produce it naturally anymore. So in turn these athletes can get exemptions and treatment from their conditions, when most likely their cheating CAUSED the conditions in the first dam place. What a mockery.


I just can’t understand for the life of me why the cut off points are so. I think 2 to 1 or maybe 1.75 to 1 would be feasible, but 4 to 1 and 6 to 1 are crazy. I mean think about this. Even if a fighter had naturally low testosterone why wouldn’t his testosterone level be brought up to the average level of 1 to 1 or 1.2 to 1. Why in the heck does anybody need 4 or 6 times what the average human being would need? Before I sound too much like a scientist I would love for someone in one of these organizations to help with my next question? How many REPORTED studies and/or cases have shown a person or athlete who is not on synthetic testosterone to have a ratio anywhere near 6 to 1?


That’s very important. Because if the reason for these allowed ratios is because they commissions don’t want false positives, then there should be studies to show several examples of individuals who had super human type of ratios. Thanks


 

Why haven't Top Rank done anything concerning testing? No improve testing for any Top Rank fighters.... Why?
 
Bread’s Response: I don’t know why Top Rank is not as proactive in the drug testing. I think they should be, considering they are one of the two top promoters in this country. That’s a great question. I assume Top Rank has ways to generate lots of money that could go to testing. And to my knowledge they don’t speak out on this for the betterment of the sport.

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